Trading update: making (and banking) money
15 Nov 2010, Posted by Cape Town Girl in CTG, cape town, lifestyle, money money money, 14 Comments

Guys my dalliance with stock and share trading is going well. I am in the money!
So after our Naspers trade did pretty well, Oli suggested we start trading commodities, which are things like food, grain and metals. His reasoning was that the US dollar was taking a huge beating, and thus a commodity like copper was cheaper. Why? Because copper prices track the dollar prices (the US is the 2nd largest copper producing country in the world) so I’d get more for my money. Simple. And thus weak dollar means copper is cheaper for other countries to import, which means copper is at a 2-year high.
Copper was looking good for a few reasons – it was trading at a price similar to 2008 , even though some countries like china came out and said they were scaling down there imports of copper. Plus copper is a base metal that is widely used and in high demand (so it’s not gonna suddenly tank). So we decided to risk a R1 900 margin by selling SHORT Copper (we were anticipating that the price of copper would move down, as the dollar strengthened - is just logical really) – - (PS margin is YOUR money that you outlay) and we got some GREAT returns on that – R1 500 to be roughly exact. Nice following the R600 bucks I made off the Naspers trade.

We then had a look at the week’s trades – Naspers, Aus Dollars & Copper – and we find ourselves sitting on a profit of about R2 400,00. Nice for my first week. But stop: at this point I must make the decision to close the trade and bank the money, or to let the trade go on into the weekend. Now a very NB thing I have learnt is to stick to your strategy when it comes to trading and to not get greedy when you’re doing well. Things had gone according to plan, so Oli and I made the call to close the trade and bank the money.
Next week, it’s a fresh start. Exciting! I’m really loving this. It’s like chess meets poker on crack. To get trading yourself, or just find out how to, a good way to start would be by doing a self-evaluation so you know how much you do and don’t know. Click here to check it out.

UPDATE: Oli from GlobalTrader247 and I chatted this morning and the markets aren’t looking great. So we’ve made the mature call to just hold back and wait until it looks like we’d make a profit on some sharetrading. We were thinking gold, but it could go either way at this point, so we’re going to sit tight. A very important part of share trading! Let’s quote some Wyclef-doing-Kenny-Rogers this fine Monday afternoon, whaddya say:
You’ve got to know when to hold ‘em
Know when to fold ‘em
Know when to walk away
Know when to run
You never count your money
When you’re sittin’ at the table
There’ll be time enough for countin’
When the dealin’s done

































14 Comments
November 15, 2010 3:11 pm
Mark Kalkwarf
You make it sound so easy. Love the Kenny Rogers reference. Good luck with your next trade…
November 15, 2010 4:22 pm
Rob T
You do realise that by shorting stocks the potential losses are theoretically unlimited? Had the copper price moved in the other direction than what you bet you could owe more than the amount you put down to short?
Also could there be some disclosure whether this is a paid shill or if there is some other compensation involved? If it is I assume it is meant to only highlight the positives of daytrading. When you eventually lose money on a trade, and you will make no mistake, will we hear of it?
Cape Town Girl November 15 2010 16:26 pm
Oh you will hear ALL about it Rob, don't you worry. I keep what I make, and if I lose? I don't keep anything. Hopefully we're able to avoid that though. I did lose a little money in the beginning, but it broke even again, so I didn't mention it.
Rob T November 15 2010 17:13 pm
And as to whether this post (and others mentioning GlobalTrader) is paid for?
November 15, 2010 4:45 pm
JT Martin
Goodness me (spills mochachino)! That Rob T moans like a drain! I suppose I should worry about my bond- theoretically the rates could go up to infinity… Be so be so be so kind as to try to get Ollie to Mossel Bay- I need some advice on handling a long oil position that a girlfriend suggested I put on-
Rob T November 15 2010 17:12 pm
I don't think you quiet understand what short trading is. It has a much higher risk profile.
If I buy 100 shares priced at R100 and they drop R10 I have lost 10% of my investment. But I still have shares worth R9000.
If I short 100 shares at R100 and it goes up R10 I now owe my broker R11000. And have no shares.
So sure there's no capital outlay upfront but should the market turn the other way than what you bet you'll end up losing 10 times the amount (R1000 Vs R11000).
November 15, 2010 4:56 pm
olirussell
Hi Rob,
Most def CTG is well aware of the risks involved and that by shorting a stock those losses are most definitely unlimited!!!
Although with Global trader we always encourage that clients manage risk appropriately by insisting that with every trade a stop loss has to be placed….
Rob U should give it a try, by opening a simulated acc at http://www.gt247.com and If u are an extremely risk averse trader, which is a good trait!!! you can always trade with a “Guaranteed Stop loss”
CTG keep up the good work, your doing amazing!!!!
November 15, 2010 5:31 pm
olirussell
Rob T,
I appreciate your views but I feel you need to be corrected on your above example:
For example:
If I sell:Go short MTN @ R100
-place my stop loss @ 110
- Market goes against us and the price of MTN rises
- and our stop loss Is triggered @ R110-00
The loss stands to be R10 x 100 shares which equals R1000
I recommend giving the simulated account a go, the best thing about It is its free and you can experience the trading as If you were trading for real!!!
If you have any questions give it a try @ http://www.gt247.com or attend one of our free seminars….
Rob T November 15 2010 18:04 pm
I realised my mistake just after I pressed 'Submit'. You are correct that the loss is R1000. But you still now need to find R11 000 to repay your broker should the short need to be covered.
At the end of the day shorting when you don't know what you're doing is a recipe for disaster and the losses can easily wipe out gains from your entire portfolio due to leverage.
November 16, 2010 8:07 am
olirussell
Hi Rob T,
I cannot agree with you more using leverage In ones portfolio Is risky, that why at global trader we always encourage effective risk management practices with every trade.
Although coming back to the above comment trading using leverage going “short” or going “long” has exactly the same risk profile!!!!
November 16, 2010 9:57 am
JT Martin
Ollie comes to the rescue again!!
November 16, 2010 10:07 am
Stacky
Its all just gambling at the end of the day… and I love gambling thats why i trade stukkend! hahaha!
Nice one CTG and GT.
November 16, 2010 10:09 am
Ryan
I also own Naspers shares, bought it with my student money last year, but too afraid to buy and sell like you do. However, the price has gone up so tremendously this past year that I’ve made thousands (unrealised). Stocks are so cool. They don’t teach this stuff at school!
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